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FABULOUS joy of me interviewing Laurie
Anderson for your super soaraway Sounds
is that there is none of the usual
artist/journalist common ground. Despite her
initials she isn't a bonnet-posing,
screeching and whining, fist-shaking rock
and roller buried beneath a 'rebellion'
style bar-chord barrage of comfy
conformity. And I'm not de-personalised
and 'professional' enough to stand in
line with recorder and a list of
questions to fire-off relating to the
vagaries of Performance Art.
(To be
honest I'm much more interested in the
soft spikey clusters and breath-taking
transcendental beauty of her haircut and
the striking sartorial imperfection of
her slightly over-sized jacket with
sleeves that terminate at a
well-beyond-the-norm point halfway along
the hands. Pretending to do an interview
was a necessary evil it as to gain
first-hand experience of these rare and
wondrous things.)
Before
beginning in her present line of work,
Laurie wrote reviews of minimal sculpture
(for four years! I didn't know there were
that many minimal sculptures). Often
finding these objects lacking in warmth
and passion she used her (then) favourite
artist, Van Gogh, as a constant reference
point. Eventually she began prefacing her
reviews with 'This artist, unlike Van
Gogh...'. Maybe I should have started
this feature: 'This artist, unlike Joan
Jett...
You are,
American, so I assume you grew up
listening to the radio?
"American
radio is all (adopts sickening slick
drawl) 'Hi, it's 90 degrees today and the
freeways are clear'. It basically caters
for eight year old minds. I grew up in a
town near Chicago and there was a station
with a show by a guy called Studs Terkle.
"Studs
Terkle (Laurie rolls the name round her
tongue enjoying both the happy memory and
the way the syllables exercise every
muscle in the jaw) was the only person on
American radio with a real voice. He did
interviews with just ordinary people,
housewives and such. I'd crawl under my
bed clothes at night and listen. I went
back home recently and did a show with
him, That was the end. My ultimate
performance."
The LP,
'Big Science', is full of
multidimensional, modern day fairy-tales.
It is tinged with melancholia but also
laced with a discreet, high-flying sense
of humour. Its finest achievement is the
expansive array of images and emotions it
can trigger in the listener's mind.
"After
concerts the best thing that can happen
is for people to come back and say to me
'what you did really gave me ideas'. That
has happened but when they describe the
ideas they are always totally different
from anything I would imagine."
In
Laurie-lyrics many key-lines are culled
from everyday conversation. Mundane
phrases can be provocatively captured in
a kind of search-light beam examination.
"I
listen to people's conversation and do
remember catch-phrase type things, but
somebody might have worked four years
perfecting their one good line, like the
sort of thing you get at New York
cocktail parties. Really I remember moods
of conversation more.
"Once
on a short-hop night flight in the States
I sat next to an 80-year-old grandmother
who had never flown before. She drank 15
Cokes before taking off. Nobody can get
drunk on Coke but with the lights on the
ground looking like stars and her having
no idea of how high a pla ne flew, she
actually thought we were in outer space.
That night is one of my favourite
memories."
Love it
or loathe it, 'O Superman' was a crazy,
inexplicable, illogical 'success', an
eight-minute single comprising virtually
nought but voice and vocoder. It dragged
well-established notions of
'chartability' into a topsy-turvy jumble
of astonished disorder. For little Laurie
one implication is her having to spend a
day sitting in a London WEA office
("in the States I keep meeting guys
from Warners and they're all called
Larry. They all have short hair, neat
well-trimmed beards and wear the same
kind of jacket. They come up and say,
'Hi, I'm Larry from Warners' ")
being on the rough-end of interviews
since 10.30am.
My
allocated hour was 6pm although at first
I'd mistakenly thought the PR person had
said 6am, which would have been great!
Shake up a few more 'standard practices'
(Laurie: I would sometimes ask people who
wanted to interview me to meet at 3am,
not one ever turned up.").
"The
success of the single was just a voice on
the phone (how fitting!) telling me the
record was in the charts. I was very
distant from it and pay no attention to
charts anyway.
"But
I do have my fantasy which is to finish
something. Do something that I can look
at and say, 'That is complete, it doesn't
need anything else'. I don't feet I've
ever finished anything I've done. I'd
like to go round to the people who bought
the record and say maybe we should have
put this part over there or added
something to this bit'. Records are just
the words and music whereas live there
are the pictures too, the whole
polyrythmic of the performance which is
what it is really about.
"At
the moment I'm trying to make a video. A promo-video.
You see the usual promo-video of the guy
playing guitar in the shower or playing
guitar in his car or playing guitar up in
the roof-rack which seems ridiculous. You
know it's a guitar by hearing it, you
don't need to see it as well. But
promo-videos, I've found are really
difficult I'm gaining more respect
for the guy playing guitar in the shower!
"I
have to find a way of doing what I want
to do which fits in with what is needed
commercially. It's like if you write for
a paper and they say, 'Go away and write
a novel if you want to write like that'
Or else they cut it right down (I know
this feeling and in Laurie's words can
hear the sound of... ). You have to get
it just right, a combination of the two
sides ( ... a thousand nails being
hammered on the head).
"Video
has developed rapidly over the last 30
years and there must be a way of using it
that doesn't mean sit-down-and-stare like
regular TV. I can sit for hours looking
at the TV not watching the programmes but
mesmerised by the lines of light moving
across the screen.
"Video
adverts in the States have things
Quantelling all over the place. Cornflake
bowls flying around and spoons that
become giant spoons. Giant spoons lose
their appeal very quickly."
Giant
spoons lose their appeal very quickly
apply this phrase to the music
biz! (Hysterical gushings... Laurie
Anderson will outlive giant spoons! Giant
spoons will bend in her Presence!)
How much
of what you do is entertainment?
I don't
hold with the usual art thing of being
anti-entertainment, that entertainment is
a cover for banality. I take the view
that seriousness is a cover for banality
(hammers and nails again). When I came
here before (to appear at Riverside last
October) I think people expected the
shows to be gloomy but I'm not a gloomy
person. I'm not a happy person
either."
Not
'happy' in the bouncing around,
laughing-at-everything sense. When Laurie
smiles she means it, you can feel
the warmth.
Running
through 'Big Science' is an omnipotent
fear-rumble. A diabolical drone lurking
behind the songs of a technology in
control rather than being controlled.
"In
the States now a lot of people are very
scared. Up in Seattle they think their
town is the most important and it'll be
them to get nuked first. Down in Houston
they think it'll be them first, it's the
same all over. Big cities have
'host-towns' where the population can be
evacuated to. The idea is that 11 million
people get on a bus and go there.
"In
Georgia you are now required to
carry a gun. Not just allowed but legally
required. The bowling alley there is now
a shooting range, some of the housewives
have become crackshots.
"It's
weird but I'd be the last person to deny
the death instinct. Life and death both
draw us towards them very strongly.
Said
with a certain solemnity and tint of
sulleness in the eyes. A balance to her
'lighter' side.
"But
I couldn't live anywhere except New York.
You don't have to fill in forms saying
how long you intend to stay and how you
plan to earn your living. You can just
turn up and be unofficial."
On wax,
the voice (THE VOICE!) is an oft
authoritative, domineering cadence that
choosily enunciates its way through a
verbal dub tapestry of American
Dream(ing). Laurie's own articulation
often drops to a soft-hued whisper. She
is the kind of person who can
just turn up and be unofficial. The total
opposite of the egotistical arty-type hard
nut that I had been expecting.
In the
UK (and this paper) the Performance Art
aspects takes second place to her
responsible-for-loopy-hit stature. That
vinyl side of her efforts that pertains
to regulation rock and roll. In this
absurdly predictable sphere Laurie
Anderson can, with or without giant
spoons, be one helluva stirrer. Eeeergh!
and XXXXOOOO.
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